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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:29:31 -
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I'm very late to this thread. Obviously I have not been lurking enough on this forum. I have skim read much of the thread and I am a little perturbed by the removal of legitimately shooting corpmates in high sec.
When I first started playing Eve I came into the game with a small group of gamers from another game - A RTCW clan from memory. We set up a little corp in high sec to run missions together to make isk and fund our ventures into low sec.
We tested a range game play styles on each other:
Could a blackbird with multi specs and raven pin down a solo Vagabond.
Could 3 insta locking hurricanes take down inties and coverts ops on gates.
How long can a domi with sentries and a scimitar keep a caracal alive in a level 3 mission when a gank fit thrasher shows up?
Can any of these situations be simulated via the current dueling system?
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:52:08 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:I'm very late to this thread. Obviously I have not been lurking enough on this forum. I have skim read much of the thread and I am a little perturbed by the removal of legitimately shooting corpmates in high sec.
When I first started playing Eve I came into the game with a small group of gamers from another game - A RTCW clan from memory. We set up a little corp in high sec to run missions together to make isk and fund our ventures into low sec.
We tested a range game play styles on each other:
Could a blackbird with multi specs and raven pin down a solo Vagabond.
Could 3 insta locking hurricanes take down inties and coverts ops on gates.
How long can a domi with sentries and a scimitar keep a caracal alive in a level 3 mission when a gank fit thrasher shows up?
Can any of these situations be simulated via the current dueling system?
Can be done in null or low sec. But that would involve you leaving the safety of hi-sec. Safety of hi-sec...........really. You want to be able to practice to shoot someone in safety. Really. And the one being called carebear is the one being shot........really people.
Wow thanks for reply. I am however surprised by the aggression you are venting on me.
The above occurrences are some of the fun moments I had as a new Eve player 8 years ago. My post was querying whether new players who come into the game now will have the option of learning the principles of PVP in a safe environment before venturing out into uncontrolled space.
New pilots who wish to learn are gold in this game. If removing the ability to practise shooting your friends makes learning pvp harder for new players it will make it harder for players to gain the basic skills needed in low or 0.0.
If the dueling system allows a range of possible options 6 vs 2, late arrivals after duel has started etc by all means remove the ability of players to ruin a corp for mere giggles with no consequence.
If the dueling system can not allow a full range of PVP options that a new player will face in low then it needs to be modified hand in hand with awox removing.
Is that ok with you Syn Shi?
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:05:10 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:I'm very late to this thread. Obviously I have not been lurking enough on this forum. I have skim read much of the thread and I am a little perturbed by the removal of legitimately shooting corpmates in high sec.
When I first started playing Eve I came into the game with a small group of gamers from another game - A RTCW clan from memory. We set up a little corp in high sec to run missions together to make isk and fund our ventures into low sec.
We tested a range game play styles on each other:
Could a blackbird with multi specs and raven pin down a solo Vagabond.
Could 3 insta locking hurricanes take down inties and coverts ops on gates.
How long can a domi with sentries and a scimitar keep a caracal alive in a level 3 mission when a gank fit thrasher shows up?
Can any of these situations be simulated via the current dueling system?
Can be done in null or low sec. But that would involve you leaving the safety of hi-sec. Safety of hi-sec...........really. You want to be able to practice to shoot someone in safety. Really. And the one being called carebear is the one being shot........really people. Wow thanks for reply. I am however surprised by the aggression you are venting on me. The above occurrences are some of the fun moments I had as a new Eve player 8 years ago. My post was querying whether new players who come into the game now will have the option of learning the principles of PVP in a safe environment before venturing out into uncontrolled space. New pilots who wish to learn are gold in this game. If removing the ability to practise shooting your friends makes learning pvp harder for new players it will make it harder for players to gain the basic skills needed in low or 0.0. If the dueling system allows a range of possible options 6 vs 2, late arrivals after duel has started etc by all means remove the ability of players to ruin a corp for mere giggles with no consequence. If the dueling system can not allow a full range of PVP options that a new player will face in low then it needs to be modified hand in hand with awox removing. Is that ok with you Syn Shi? You can still awox. You will just lose a ship if they made the change. There is nothing more to this topic. Why are you against losing your ship if you awox?
New players make mistakes. A 3 month old playing in a falcon for the first time with his corp buddies doesn't need to lose it cause he doesn't know the implications of his actions.
I am not against awoxers receiving equitable consequences with other flagged criminals. I am all for helping new players learn as many aspects of Eve as possible in their own time frame not being forced to play the way everyone else does in a sand box.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:15:06 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Some Rando wrote:Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:You know what... nerf all of hi-sec. Make it as safe as the carebear wants. Issue pillows... but reduce the amount of ISK that can be made there. Simple. This is basically the solution to all of EVE's problems. Presuming that people who rat or mine in the ultra safe blue donut, Deklein for example, or in renterland, somehow "deserve" higher rewards than people in highsec because they are "exposed" to more risk.
Thread derailing attempt spotted.
They are though. Anyone can choose to shoot anyone at any time with out interference from game mechanics.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:24:42 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Syn Shi wrote:You can still awox. You will just lose a ship if they made the change.
There is nothing more to this topic.
Why are you against losing your ship if you awox? I don't see why you think this word games are in any way a good argument or comment. If you have a problem understanding what some people mean with "awoxing" of "safari" in the context of this thread or the CSM minutes then you have a serious issue and should stop posting. Read the first post. Shoot a corp mate...concord shoot you. Read title......awox. Summary. Some don't want to lose their ship when they.....as the title says...corpmate awoxing. Conclusion.....you don't want to lose a ship from shooting a corp mate...or pretending to be that corp mate. Why are you against losing your ship?
The best way to test mechanics is via action.
I learned how many catalysts will it take to break the tank of my Procurer by having corpmates shoot at it. Why should my corpmates be punished for helping me learn that?
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:50:08 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:La Nariz wrote:
I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec.
No, we aren't. Read the title of this thread. We're talking about awoxing, not hisec. If you want to lament the advantages of hisec, go make another thread.
Read the CSM notes, about which this thread is based.
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Posted - 2014.11.01 00:49:49 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Removing AWOXing is one way to do this without punishing new players.
Removing the ability to engage in any direct PVP element without losing a ship does not directly hurt new players. Indirectly it limits the play options new players have to experiment with shooting at each other.
In my opinion that will; make new players feel artificially safe in high security space making other potential loses seem more grievous and make the transition from high security space to low security space harder as newer players become less familiar with different PVP mechanics
Stopping lecherous players joining a group of new players and destroying every asset they have built up over three months of game play is a good thing. Things of think may do the job better:
Give a corp CEO the ability to "authorize" interpilot engagement and "restrict" interpilot engagment |
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